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248 Legally Deceased “Individuals” are in These Dewars Anticipating Future Resurrection – Cryonics
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Alternatively, their brains scanned at a neuron level to be stuffed into a Von Neumann probe by an ultra-religious America 300 years in the future to be sent out into space. They probably hate explody things.
A
And then…giant bipedal beavers!
M
Also known as your mom
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Gottem
W
Yeah Bobiverse reference!
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Just going to say, I absolutely LOVE Ray Porter as an audiobook narrator and he does a great job with the Bobiverse!
B
When I hear Ray Porter reading the Bobiverse books aloud, I hear Seth McFarland in my head and it’s wonderful.
H
Oh I loved when Riker told the FAITH rep to basically go fuck himself and hung up the ‘phone’. Might be the best part of the series. 🙂
M
Is that riker name just coincidence to riker in star trek?
P
No, not a coincidence. Bob’s 1st cloning of himself got named Riker because he was his Number 1 clone.
N
Found Bob 1.
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3. Hope the company doesn’t go belly up before they figure out 1 and 2.
T
More like “hope the building doesn’t loose power for any long period of time” You know what it looks like when fruit is frozen and thawed, then frozen again? Imagine a human 🤮
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The dewars are cooled by liquid nitrogen, not refrigeration. No power is involved other than requiring people to manually refill them from time to time.
H
Power wouldn’t exactly be an immediate issue, but shit happens. I’ve forgotten to fill dewars and lost product. Product wasn’t a human body, but still. Biggest concern for them is probably running out of money though. I bet it’s expensive as hell to be frozen, but maintaining the facility, staffing it, and keeping them supplied with nitrogen indefinitely is going to cost a lot. If we eventually do get to the point where reviving them were a possibility, are they paying for that process too?
P
See the problem is that you’re assuming the scammer thought anything beyond “wow it’s so easy to trick rich people into giving me their money”
H
This is absolutely what it is.
B
> loose
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Every fucking time
C
I mean that’s kinda the point behind it. They KNOW it isn’t successful yet because that technology doesn’t exist yet. The whole point is that the body is preserved in the best shape it practically can be in the hopes that that technology eventually does exist.
M
The technology needs to be there to freeze the body as well. The main issue is with the freezing part. When water turns to ice it forms crystals which destroy cell membranes. We haven’t perfected this yet.
C
They do use a “cryopreservant” that they claim prevents or at least greatly reduces the formation of ice crystals in the brain. I honestly don’t know enough to say whether that claim is inflated or not.
M
It probably does reduce the issue but still isn’t quite perfect yet. I think the problem is how do you do this to someone who is still alive, they only do it with cadavers as far as I’m aware. You need to freeze someone who is still alive to revive them later, and filling their brain/body with strange liquid probably kills them.
C
They actually try to begin the process as soon as possible after a doctor declares them dead. You can read some of their reports on the process. They have a standby team that will travel to wherever a patient is if they are expected to imminently pass away and then set up to preserve them as quickly as possible. Though they say they prefer if patients that are elderly or ill move near the facility to make the process quicker. Legally, you cannot do this to someone who is still alive.
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Let’s say that someday that tech does exist and these popsicles are still viable. The only reason I can think of for anyone to revive one are historical curiosity or medical research. No one is going to know or care who they are and the company will absolutely not be the same one they signed a contract with. Anyone getting revived is going to be someone’s IP.
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I reckon they freeze em and can get some DNA way later and artificially rebirth them. But I just smoke weed and ponder
M
I like the pondering, though consciousness is physical and rewired over a lifetime. Using DNA to recreate someone would recreate another identical person, but it wouldnt be the same consciousness. It would be like rebirthing a twin
C
Somehow, Palpatine returned.
W
No one’s ever really gone.
D
This is what hangs me up about teleportation theory. If you’re being atomized and put back together somewhere else, your brain may be identical but it wouldn’t necessarily keep its memories.
C
Even worse, the consciousness you have currently would likely not be the one in the teleporting body. It would be like a twin with the same memories but the thing teleporting would be thinking and feeling separately. Basically the atomised consciousness would be ‘dead’ or oblivion, non-existent anymore. There is a thought experiment about this and workers in space finding out and being told the trip to earth is 100 years, so you will die before you reach your loved ones, you can teleport home but essentially the memories and a body will live and meet your friends and family but to your own consciousness you are dead and its someone else who is an exact copy of you at the time of teleporting.
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An exact copy of me with all of my memories wakes up in my bed every morning.
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I woke up the other day and realized everything in my apartment had been stolen and replaced with an exact replica. I went to my roommate and said, “Hey, did you notice everything in the apartment was stolen and replaced with an exact replica?” And he said, “>!Do I know you?!<" \- Steven Wright
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Every time I realize Steven Wright is still alive I’m genuinely surprised, he just seems like the kind of guy that would be dead.
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Ain’t that a bitch
M
It’s becoming a problem. I’m running out of room and the bodies are piling up.
B
I’m sure I lose a few memories every night. Just don’t know which ones.
T
This is why Dr. McCoy preferred to take a shuttle.
M
This gets real wacky when you consider a multiverse view of this. Mix quantum immortality in. You just suddenly know a reality that has you where and when you wanna be. The shortest route between a and b is already being at B.
D
So basically The Prestige.
S
There are a multitude of possibilities that we just cannot explore. A critical one is how consciousness plays into the Ship of Theseus experiment.
J
> your brain may be identical but it wouldn’t necessarily keep its memories. You are assuming memories have no physical form in our brains. If they didn’t how else would they be codified in the brain?
C
We don’t know enough about consciousness to say whether that’s true or not
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I think it could be argued that teleportation paradox is essentially happening every moment. If time is discrete then you are teleporting into the future in Planck time increments. Who’s to say if your consciousness is actually persisting across time, or if your past self ceases to exist with every passing moment.
A
That’s cloning and it’s already possible. It won’t bring you back from the dead, just a copy.
K
That’s not what they want but if that were the goal they could very easily store many many many more samples of DNA compared to the corpses and heads of these people. They don’t want to be cloned they want to be reanimated. Literally brought back from the dead not remade.
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I think that’s how they clone people’s pets, probably just waiting for it to be legal for humans. Also smoking and pondering.
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> Defrosting human body and making sure it doesn’t turn it into goo. > Actually reviving them. Keep in mind that if we had this, we wouldn’t need to keep them frozen, we’d just resurrect them on the spot. Almost by definition, “we’re going to try to keep you preserved until we can bring you back to life” is always going to rely on as-yet-undiscovered technology.
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