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What Tesla does to individuals
T
I always see these videos and it confuses me. I have a Tesla with FSD. If I looked down for a second while in FSD mode, the car would yell at me to pay attention to the road. If it happened 3 times, I would get a “Strike” and be disallowed from using FSD for the rest of the trip. 5 strikes and FSD is completely unavailable (although they do periodically forgive strikes). How do people sleep like this?
M
They have an older model that doesn’t have the in-cabin camera.
R
So you have to hold the wheel then. Or at least every couple of minutes touch the wheel.
N
You can see his hand on the wheel. The wheel just needs to feel some resistance every few minutes. Some people used small weights for that purpose.
N
The dude is probably fake sleeping to get people to record him. But Tesla implemented an anti-cheat against steering wheel weights. My guess is that it measures the torque applied on the steering wheel, and no human can keep their hands so steady that the applied torque is constant.
S
Didn’t people use half empty water bottles?
P
I think they were actually half full water bottles.
T
Nah they were definitely half empty. Half full would weigh too much.
B
Love the optimism!
D
This is how my Honda plug in does it. It will periodically apply torque clockwise or counter to see if your hand responds. I’ve beem on cruise control when you can feel the “test”
B
Holy shit! Does it also monitor the adrenaline-induced pupil dilation to check if it freaked you out out sufficiently?
D
Torque is a rotational force. Weighing down a steering wheel with an object or your hand is just applying weight.
N
The water bottle is jammed into one of the non-center holes in the steering wheel so weight is applying a turning force.
R
I remember the picture of the guy using an orange to keep it going.
C
Tesla drivers are some of the dumbest people on earth it’s hilarious. “Hey guys I found out a way to trick the car into letting me risk other peoples lives on a daily basis!”
W
People on Amazon sell weights you attach to the wheel that tricks it into thinking you’re holding it. I found this by accident when searching for cardio wrist weights.
W
The fact that people are trying this hard to get away with sleeping while driving… If you don’t want to drive, sell your fucking car and use Uber, public transit, or fuck…just pay a personal driver if you don’t want to be near the “poors”. Anything is better than cheating your way into sleeping behind the wheel and endangering every fucking person in your vicinity. These people disgust me and deserve to get into a crash that only affects them (but that’s never how it happens)
R
Seriously – this is stupid dangerous. Now I wonder how many Tesla accidents happen due to “drivers” like this, but we never find out because they lie (or are dead) afterwards.
R
They dont work anymore, not for 2 years at least. Tesla nerfed it. It now requires a changing torque input on the wheel. The weights create a constant torque that is detectable.
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Wait about a small motor and a counterweight?
R
Dunno, thats potentially detectable too, but i dont know what kind of cheats tesla may be looking for.
B
The wheel thing is so annoying I actively prefer to drive it myself, lol. If I have to watch the road AND move the wheel why am I not driving?
T
New Subaru “lane keep” is the same way. It’s like you have to provide more force than it would take to keep a car straight on the road by constantly fighting the wheel and it’s incredibly sensitive. I couldn’t imagine using that “feature” for long.
P
That looks like a Model 3, they’ve always had a cabin camera.
N
The in cabin camera has been in the Model 3 since day 1. I have a Model 3 from July 2018 and it has a camera.
R
That’s not the case. I have an early one and it has a camera.
A
They have a strike system that phones home? I mean, that’s probably good, but wow that’s pretty out there
N
It doesn’t “phone home”. If you get a strike, it disables FSD for the rest of your drive. You can always pull over, put it in Park, and then resume your driving to “reset” it. But if you get 5 strikes in a 7 day period, the car disables FSD for an entire week.
W
When FSD is disabled, does the car slowly come to a halt or does it just return full control to the driver immediately? Because that would be an issue at highway speeds with a sleeping driver.
S
It slows to a stop and turns on the hazard lights while screaming inside the car
Y
Gives an hilarious mental image. Computer scolding the driver “the fxck is wrong with you, get your act together, no wonder your wife left your”
A
RONALD WEASLEY! HOW DARE YOU TRICK ME SO YOU CAN SLEEP AT THE WHEEL! I AM ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED! ELON IS NOW FACING AN INQUIRY AT WORK, AND IT’S ENTIRELY YOUR FAULT! IF YOU PUT ANOTHER TOE OUT OF LINE, I’LL DRIVE YOU STRAIGHT HOME!
S
It feels like that. I got a strike one time because the sun was reflecting on my glasses and the stupid thing couldn’t see my eyes. It starts beeping at you and the screen starts flashing and says “Please pay attention to the road!” The message it gives you when it tells you it has been disabled has big “I’m not mad, just disappointed” energy too lol
S
Honestly that’s pretty much exactly how it is
N
When it disables, it returns full control to the driver. I saw a video where the driver pretended to be unconscious while FSD engaged. It eventually disengaged, and the car just slowed to a stop on the road. Seems very unsafe. It should steer into the shoulder and then stop.
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S
How is it anti consumer? It’s designed to keep people from using the system in an unsafe way. Is a safety guard on a chainsaw also anti consumer?
F
That sounds like the stupidest system ever.
S
You should google how much data tesla vehicles transmit per month.
D
This video is super old
N
Yeah. I can’t even look at the map to find a place to eat on a road trip. It yells at me after 5 seconds. This probably is an older model without a cabin camera and has a cheat device on the steering wheel. But I thought Tesla implemented an anti-cheat method for people using the steering wheel weights. Regardless, this is probably an old video.
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N
I agree that the guy is fake sleeping. His hand is on the steering wheel to apply torque. He’s probably squinting as to see the road.
M
its an old ass vid. there is no torque monitoring here.
R
My GM vehicle is like this too. It would love to eat road cones if I would like it.
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Going to say, I don’t have a tesla but my car has some self driving. It will see the lines on the road and keep between them even through turns. But if I close my eyes or take my hands of the wheel the car starts beeping like crazy and take over the radio yelling at me that even though it is driving I need to be alert and ready to take over.
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Bro you are a slave in your own car
T
This is the truth! I jokingly tell people that I need to pay attention more when in FSD mode than I do when I’m in control. The monitoring is very strict (for good reason, yes, but it’s funny regardless.)
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> FSD “Frameshift Drive… charging.” o7 r/EliteDangerous
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