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Pilot initiates takeoff without any consideration for ground crew safety.
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The Nigerian Civil Aviation Authority has suspended two pilots of domestic carrier, ValueJet, following a serious breach of aviation safety protocols at the Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport, Abuja. In a statement issued on Tuesday, and signed by the Director of Public Affairs and Consumer Protection to the NCAA, Michael Achimugu, the NCAA confirmed receiving reports that the pilot “commenced departure procedures from the designated bay without adhering to the mandatory pre-departure clearance protocols.” “This reckless action endangered the safety of ground personnel and other airport users, contravening established civil aviation regulations and international safety standards,” he stated. The NCAA described the situation as one it views “with utmost seriousness,” prompting swift enforcement action against the flight crew. “Consequently, the Authority has taken immediate enforcement action by suspending the licences of the pilot, Captain Oluranti Ogoyi, and the co-pilot, First Officer Ivan Oloba, with immediate effect,” the statement read. According to the NCAA, the suspension will remain in effect pending the conclusion of a full investigation into the incident. Reassuring stakeholders and the public, the NCAA emphasised its uncompromising stance on flight safety. “The Authority hereby reaffirms all stakeholders of its commitment to safety,” Achimugu said
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“ValueJet” is a terrible but telling name.
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ValueJet. Do not ValueLife
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You mean DollarJet doesn’t sound appealing to you?
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I’m shocked that another airline took that name. Granted not in US operations. Look up ValuJet 592 and how that airline subsequently merged with another airline just to abandon the name.
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> “ValueJet” is a terrible but telling name. Well, at least the name tells you what you’re getting.
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AA doesn’t inspire confidence either…
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The NCAA is pretty toothless at this point. Doubt these pilots will get a bowl ban, probably not even a scholarship limit
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Somehow they’ll find a way to sanction Mizzou for this
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I heard the got a full ride to Ole ‘Near’ Miss
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Oh they’ll get punished. 10 years later, by a sternly worded letters asking for the Heismann back.
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It’s really punishing future pilots. These guys will just hop in the transfer portal.
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What happened to the good ole days when you just rolled down the window shook your fist and yelled “Eyy, I’m drivin ere”
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6s-rtAkjKA
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“Oi! Oi Prick! Outta ze way!”
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Some(most?) planes have horns/buzzers, mostly to communicate with ground crew. Not sure about this model.
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CRJs don’t have horns.
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One less thing to reset
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“Switching to guns”
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Indian airports would be nothing but horns blasting.
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No, there’s lots of audio warnings but nothing that serves as a horn.
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Wonder why they were filming it. Seems like they were expecting something.
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Probably a history being jackoffs with the airline or pilots
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Would you please link to the source?
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Well, at least they’re not Dana Air.
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Just curious, does the co-pilot have any say if the pilot does something like this?
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This is an interesting question, because it caused a number of issues in the past. There was a ton of Asian crashes, more than the average for the rest of the world, and people were wondering why. After research and looking at the recordings, they started to realize that often the pilot would make a mistake, and the co-pilot (subordinate to the pilot) was unable to really speak up culturally. They usually would know there was an issue but thought the pilot had a good reason for doing it a different way (or didn’t want to get in trouble). Basically the co-pilot position was expected “to learn” even if they were highly skilled. The co-pilot wasn’t able to second guess them. They’ve changed the policies (I forget the exact ways, but training was part of it) and the idea is that that co-pilot SHOULD have a say, should speak up. He shouldn’t wrench the controls away from the pilot normally, but in a case like this, he should be able to apply the brake and stop the pilot from making a mistake. What I’m saying is yes. The co-pilot ABSOLUTELY has a say, in a case like this, an expectation to intervene.
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The youtube channel 74 Gear has a lot of content about exactly this kind of situation. Any time there’s a safety issue big enough to make rounds on social media, he does a video about it, and he’ll likely end up covering this now as well (maybe, he doesn’t cover EVERYTHING). He’s definitely mentioned this past issue though in other videos, with certain nationalities feeling culturally disinclined to speak up. I’m glad they managed to remedy it though in training, it’s probably not perfect but it’s far better to have the training than not. This isn’t about honor and respecting elders, it’s about saving lives. Complacency kills when it comes to aviation safety
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Sounds interesting. Btw I in no way mean to say this is completely eliminated, however there has been a (statistically) significant reduction after new training was implemented. My point was more to give some historical context for when I say that yes, the co-pilot absolutely has a responsibility to at least call it out (and like I said in this he should have intervened)
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They should if Nathan Fielder has anything to say about it.
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The FO has brakes, and is expected to use them in cases like this.
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>Reassuring stakeholders… All three were reassured.
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Oh ok Nigeria, I was confused for a second I SWORE [ValuJet](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ValuJet_Airlines) had died long ago
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Fuck. I’ve lived my life saying upmost, not utmost.
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I had something like this happen to me in the Air Force. I was the ground guy and crossed my arms to tell the pilot to stop because he needed his radar system for SAM sights tests during an exercise in South Korea. Pilot stopped for one second and I guess said fuck it because blew right past my stop and almost hit me with the wing. That is obviously a huge NO in ground safety. The second pilot went around us. A few hours later towards the end of my day the base commander finds me with another pilot in tow. The base commander was the second pilot and went around us because he wanted to see the tail number of the person who almost ran me over and the pilot behind me sheepishly apologized to me. The base commander wrote him an LoA (letter of admonishment) which is a pretty big deal in the officer world.
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Good on the commander for making sure you knew something was done about it.
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That’s leadership.
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We had a NAV break red rushing to get on a plane and he was arrested, didn’t make the flight. It was hilarious but hopefully didn’t ruin his career.
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What does breaking red mean?
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There are areas of the flightline that have red boundaries on the ground that nobody is allowed to cross at any time. Doing so will prompt the security in the area to stop the person immediately….lethal force if needed.
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Passenger: “You’ll have to shoot me to stop me from getting on my flight!” Guard: (*Thumbs safety off on weapon*) “Yes sir, that is one of the options available to us.”
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I was told, You have to understand, you are not talking about a seasoned law enforcement office with lots of experience and a .38 revolver. You are talking about an 18 year old kid with a fully automatic M16. Do what the kid says and do it slowly. We were having an open house at Carswell AFB in Ft. Worth. The Blue Angels were there. I was on Alert (behind the red line). Some Navy ground personnel for the Angles were driving on the flight line and saw several B-52s with air launched cruise missiles under their wing. They thought they looked bad ass and decided to drive over to get a better look. They broke red and kissed the concrete. It was more entertaining than demo the Angles put on. They did a great demo tho. The Cruise Missiles glowed in the dark, so to speak.
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These days I’d take my chances with the kid.
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The kid might actually be worried about the potential for consequences.
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military members usually are, much more so than cops until you get to like navy seals, to whom war crimes are things you brag about
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Yeah, I would absolutely feel safer in the same room as a US military person with a gun than a cop with a gun. At least I have reason to think the soldier has had basic rules of engagement and trigger discipline training.
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Not if he was doing his job. Usually kid gets choice of assignment. Supposedly a security police kid shot and killed someone climbing a fence at a WSA. He was in Germany in 48 hours. All rumoured I never saw the paper work. There were many things above my paygrade.
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Yeah, I don’t think we have the same impressions of a “seasoned law enforcement officer”…
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