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That might have ended up significantly more negative.
C
I like how they walk away in the opposite direction without even looking at the bike. ” Well, I guess I’m a pedestrian now…”
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I’m pretty sure he’s pissed off and looking for the dumb MFer that stretched a wire across the road. Source : I’d be incredibly pissed off and looking for the dumb MFer that stretched a wire across the road.
B
In my state, people that owned private property with wooded areas used to put up wires like this in the trails to “discourage” others from riding dirt bikes and whatnot on their land. The practice was outlawed after somebody got decapitated by one.
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Did it need to be outlawed? Making arrangements specifically to hurt others is typically illegal, even if the victim has to do something illegal to get hurt. You can’t make a booby trap, you can’t poison you food to stop thieves, etc.
N
People would just say it wasnt meant for people, people should not have been on their property, so they didn’t require signage.. The wire was a low-cost fence to discourage big game from approaching their house.
C
and those people are full of shit. If someone went looking for them to get their due they deserve it.
N
Full of shit or not its called plausible deniability. Hence the additional law that prevents this.
M
the problem lies in whether or not its actual state registered atv/hiking trail. Stretching a wire across a trail is extremely frowned upon. In maine we have people who atv or snowmobile across the state on these trails and they are frequently maintained by guides, trail clubs/groups or even warden service and volunteers. But if its posted private property outside of those trails and you’ve done your due diligence there isnt much you can do.
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There’s nothing plausible about having a wire to keep out big game when the wire wouldn’t keep out big game. They would just step under or over it.
N
Now prove the person that put it up knows that. Common sense and provable in court are different.
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That is all going to depend on context. Is it common to hang wires across paths there? Do they seem stupid enough to believe that it would discourage big game? Have they complained about trespassers before they hung the wire? Even if all of that doesn’t sum to beyond reasonable doubt, it might still provide a preponderance of evidence. So while you might not end up in jail, it can still end up being expensive for you.
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I’m just going by what I heard from people I knew who rode that kinda stuff.
A
All you have to do now s hang a sign on it that says no trespassing. If they then decapitate themselves it would be suicide, not manslaughter/homicide. Edit: Fixed misspelling of the word homicide.
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No, that doesn’t cut it. If you make something with the express purpose of hurting others, you are responsible, even if they have no business doing what caused the trap to spring. You aren’t allowed to make booby traps.
A
Actually it does cut it. It isn’t a spring trap. It’s a cable blocking a road to private property that has a sign that says no trespassing. If you run into that you’re a moron, not a victim.
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That is all going to depend on context. Is it common to hang wires across paths there? Have you complained about trespassers before they hung the wire? The sign might actually make it worse. At the least, it shows that you were aware of the possibility of trespassers when you hung the sign. And it might show that you were actively combating trespassers, weakening your case. But that depends on whether the sign has been there for decades, or whether you hung it leading up to hanging the wire Even if all of that doesn’t sum to beyond reasonable doubt, it might still provide a preponderance of evidence. So while you might not end up in jail, it can still end up being expensive for you.
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Yawn. Dumb argument.
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Error: 500
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IANAL, but it’s more about intent than specific poisons. Is there a reason why your food contains ipecac or laxatives that doesn’t include making others take it unaware?
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I figured that would be the same as setting traps for people which I thought was illegal already
H
People get arrested and charged for this every year in all fifty states.
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For fuck’s sake, what is wrong people? There’s a reason we don’t hide landmines on our private property. Because that’s not what a normal human being would do. And, you know, some of us don’t delight in murdering other human beings. Apparently, some of our neighbors believe incidental trespassing warrants a death sentence. America has successfully catalysed a fear of socialism into a populace of sociopaths.
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All I’m hearing is *fatality* in the Mortal Kombat announcers voice and I feel bad.
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Imagine sleeping in on Saturday and the announcer jolts you awake with a “FATALITY”
G
Got another!
F
Yeah, heard of it happening for snowmobilers in particular.
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Unless this happened in the 1700s it was already illegal
K
So it was outlawed, after a manslaughter, in order to make the idiots in your country aware of the fact, that manslaughter is illegal somehow. Do you live in the USA?
V
“Dangerous thing made illegal after thing results in a death” Also known as: regular lawmaking activity
K
What the FUCK are you talking about. If you lay wires like this, it is obvious that you are trying to harm people. There are already laws against that. Even in your whatever SHITCOUNTRY you are from.
V
Law isn’t vibes, it’s writing. Even when conduct could fall under existing code, it’s normal to add it anyway to simplify future cases (in common law countries) or to add penalties if it’s especially heinous. I’m sure your country/locale’s criminal code has plenty of examples of it. Do share.
K
Are you listening to what you say? Its murder if you murder someone, even if noone wrote down HOW you murdered someone… Jesus Christ. Use your brain.
V
We’re not talking about murder, we’re talking about hanging wires. Different things. If someone could get killed by hanging wires, how does the state punish someone for doing that dangerous act to preempt a death? You make that act itself unlawful. That requires writing a law. edit: oops, I’ve been blocked. How unfortunate.
K
Try hanging a wire over a street and see if you are criminal. Actually dont! Thats sarcasm. You might be dumb enough to do that.
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You’re missing two points here. First off, yes, it was already illegal to set booby traps and there didn’t have to be another law to make this particular trap illegal. There are two reasons to make the law anyway. The first is removal of plausible deniability. Yes, it’s illegal to set booby traps, but *maybe* that was a line to dry clothes. *Maybe* it was a guide line so I don’t get lost in the woods. Sure I’m responsible for damages and can be sued, but you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that I intended to hurt someone for me to be criminally convicted. Making it illegal to run wires like that across nature trails or roads removes that element. If you prove I ran the wire, that’s all you need. And second, making it its own special law means it can be given its own sentencing guidelines, which may be harsher than other forms of booby traps. And yes, you have laws like this wherever you’re from too.
F
They’re trying to tow the other truck with a chain.
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Protip: if for whatever reason you ever need to tow a vehicle with another vehicle.. Put something like a towel overtop the rope between em. It makes the rope way more visible and if the rope snaps, the towel is likely to absorb a lot of the energy preventing an angry rope with 2000+lbs of tension snapping back at mach 1 looking for limbs to remove.
F
They’re pulling a truck out with a chain.
D
Well it looks like they’re trying to pull the truck out of the ditch.
B
So how would you pull another vehicle out from being stuck without a cable/chain? The only dumb MFer I see here is the biker who impatiently tried to maneuver between trucks that were actively trying to pull one out.
D
Sure, be pissed off that someone is trying to tow something with the hazard lights on and honking at them.
F
If it’s going to be across the road, someone needs to be in the road to stop traffic. Cables are not the most visible thing in the world. Hazard lights only indicate that specific vehicle is a hazard. Even the honking could mean anything. It might even further distract the rider as they look around to try to figure out what the truck is honking about. The gap is obviously clear so it can’t be anything in that direction. Remember that the people creating the hazard have the greatest responsibility to prevent injury.
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>If it’s going to be across the road, someone needs to be in the road to stop traffic. A) In the west… sure. At the ass end of some country road in the middle of nowhere? That’s goinng to be a tough ask even in the West, though. B) You are assuming that no such thing (in the confines of individual people organizing) did happen, and the biker just didn’t ignore anything that is off screen the same way that he is ignoring the stuff that IS in the video. Or but differently: Several people talk about “stopping traffic” or “closing roads”… What do you expect there, building walls / barricades with barbed wire and armed soldiers shooting people ignoring the barricade on sight? Because if the biker is ignoring obvious hazard lights and honking, they will just pass around someone waving a stop sign and yelling just as well.
F
Just a person standing in the road or even, as other people suggested, tying something high vis to the cable. It’s not rocket science and can be done no matter where in the world you are. It’s basic safety and takes next to no effort. No excuses.
D
>Just a person standing in the road Who says there isn’t? The place where such a person would stand is off screen. You are operating backwards from “or else this wouldn’t have happened”. I am pointing out that this is flawed, because with the same logic you can go “if the rider payed any attention, the things you DO see already should have prevented this from happening”, thus at the very least the rider ignored the warning sings we all are aware of with the limited perspective. So just presuming they didn’t ignore others is flawed.
C
Quit making excuses for shit practices man, it just drags you down and for all you know there is no warning there.
D
The warning is the truck in the ditch.
C
That is not adequate warning that a nearly invisible wire is strung across the road. If this ever happens to you I know for a fact you’ll say differently you empathy challenged monkey.
S
This is such a dumb comment lol
R
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